DEVOTION AS A METHOD OF INQUIRY:
We started this discussion to show our appreciation to Jonardon Ganeri, Professor of Philosophy, Department of the Study of Religions, The School of Oriental and African Studies(SOAS), University of London, who displayed a commendable understanding of Indian Schools of Thought in an interview that was published and shared with us by one of the members of this forum. Kindly read the interview and the Hyperlink is given at the end of this blog post. The basic purpose of this exchange of views is about knowing man and the world in which he exists.
In that context, I discussed the motions of Earth. The Milky Way Galaxy is moving at about 1.2 million miles/hour(not all the stars of the Milky Way Galaxy System move at this speed). Sun is moving at about 140 miles per second. Earth is revolving around Sun at about 66,660 miles/hour and is spinning around its axis at about 1,000 miles/hour. In my life journey on the surface of planet Earth, I partake in all these motions as I have no other individual choice, no freedom of action or ability to rule or govern myself according to my individualistic desires.
Nicolaus Copernicus(1473-1543) Polish astronomer discovered that planets revolve around the Sun and that the turning of the Earth on its axis from West to East accounts for the apparent rising and setting of the stars( includes Sunrise and Sunset), and it forms the basis for modern astronomy.
Johannes Kepler(1571-1603) German astronomer and mathematician discovered the Kepler’s Laws of Motion.
Sir Issac Newton(1642-1727) English mathematician, physicist, and natural philosopher formulated the Laws of Gravity and Motion.
Albert Einstein(1879-1955), US physicist, born in Germany formulated the Theory of Relativity. The most important matter and energy equation is that of the ability of the living things to exploit matter and energy to their advantage.
I respectfully acknowledge their contributions and there are several others who had verified the information provided by them. However, it may be noted that none of those contributors are physicians and their primary concern is not about the problems of human existence. For man is a mortal being, there is no escape from the problems of aging, and longevity. Man exists with a life-span, and has a lifetime which is measured by the time interval between two events that cause a significant environmental change that the human body recognizes as if it is operated by a precise clock. Of all the motions that I described, to account for the problems of human existence, I have to examine the spinning motion of Earth around its own axis. All other celestial motions are relevant but my life’s journey on planet Earth is involved and is impacted by Earth’s spinning motion. In Medical Science, we recognize Vital Functions, Vital Operations, and Vital Principles. A physicist has not accounted for any of the Vital Functions that govern or rule human existence. So, at a fundamental level, to understand the issues that involve human existence, we need a method of inquiry that a physicist may not use.
I am asking my readers to learn to make the distinction between mechanical actions and intelligent actions. We need to separate mechanical operations from vital operations. There is the difference between mechanical performance and intelligent performance. People make the distinction between Transitive Action and Immanent Action. The action performed by an inert body on another inert body is called Transitive Action. In contrast, Immanent Action perfects the agent that performs the action. To establish life, in the performance of the vital, living functions, the agent is perfected by its own actions such as growing, sensing, understanding, and developing. For example, heating is a Transitive Action for the hot thing loses its own heat. In the performance of Vital Functions and Intelligent Actions, the results of action remain in the agent to provide some benefit, advantage, or purpose. The term purposiveness describes actions that are guided to achieve a future end and it includes the selection or the choice of means to accomplish or obtain the desired goal.
The word ‘animal’ is derived from Latin name for “SOUL” the Vital Principle of animation. It helps to divide Matter into two kinds; animate, and inanimate, living, and nonliving, sensible, and insensible, or Physical Matter, and Living Matter. The biological property called consciousness describes the difference between Vital Powers and the Capacities of Inert or Physical Matter. Consciousness describes the difference between animate and inanimate things. Consciousness accounts for the power of Self-Nutrition( In Physiology called ‘NUTRITION’), which is the originative Power the possession of which leads us to speak of things as living or nonliving. Apart from Physics, Biology demands explanation for knowing Matter, Energy, and Motions of Objects. The Laws of Physics cannot account for the correct understanding of Vital Powers, Vital Functions, Vital Operations that are based on Intelligent Actions.
In the Divine Song popularly known as The Bhagavad Gita, Chapter VII, verse #25, Lord Krishna speaks to Prince Arjuna: “Naham prakasah sarvasya Yoga-Maya-samavrtah; Mudho’ yam nabhijanati loko mam ajam avyayam.” “I am never manifest to the foolish and unintelligent. For them I am covered by My eternal creative potency(“MAYA”) and so the deluded world knows Me not, who am unborn and infallible.”
The scientific method of inquiry is relevant to understand certain aspects of Matter, Energy, and Motion. There is an aspect of human existence that is operated by the Force of Illusion(“MAYA”) and this existence is not accounted by the realities of the world and the universe in which man finds his existence without any choice of his own. To account for this human existence which needs the operation of illusion, I make my inquiry using “DEVOTION” as my tool or method to investigate the problem.
Ann Arbor, MI 48104-4162, USA
On Tuesday, 9 September 2014 10:33 PM, R.Rudranarasimham wrote:
MADHU, MADHAVI, AND MADHURYA:
Sugar, alcohol and sweetness are related terms. Photoreception is the basis for Photosynthesis and it always performs a creative action to produce sugars and other plant products. We often miss the point about the creative generation of sugars. Madhavi symbolizes a person associated with this creative power that is involved in the generation or production of sugar( the fermented liquid, wine or alcohol is called Madhu) and it is easily identified by the taste sensation it imparts. In other words, the creative power, potency can be physically experienced using the taste sensation. Creation is not an abstract idea. Man experiences the fact of creation using the five organs of sense perception.
Thanks for knowing the difference between propulsion and propellant. All said and done, man can only look at the distant stars and admiringly sing, “Twinkle, Twinkle Little Star, How I Wonder What You Are,” for man cannot devise a propulsion mechanism using all the expendable propellant and reach any of those stars that shine in the night sky. For that matter, man has no ability to make an experimental model of a solar system that sustains the varied motions using the operation of natural forces. Science is not a Power/Force/Energy. Knowing Science does not make man the Controller of Power/Force/Energy.
On 9 September 2014 07:17, Srinivasa Rao Kankipati wrote:
Marvellous exposition Dr Rao garu. When I delete every other message in these emails, still I will retain yours forever for the precision and for the value of the no-nonsense, point-by-point and scientific information it contains. Thank you so much.
– Dr K Srinivasa Rao, MA CAIIB PhD, Chief General Manager (retd), State Bank of India.
On 9 September 2014 02:56, Dr. PVS Rao wrote:
Thank you for your mails. Your sentences are in quotes ” ” and are followed by my responses.
“Thanks for your reply and thanks for that extra effort to answer the issues by including quotes from my letter.”
Thanks for your kind comments. At first, a few clarifications.
“language that is called ‘Binary Code…”
There is no ‘language’ called binary code. Languages and codes are entirely different.
“All of our communications are made possible because the computer programmer has used this Binary Code.”
Programmers do not use the binary code at all.
“Binary code … uses numerical symbols”
It uses only ones and zeroes.
“The word ‘Madhurya’ is derived from the word ‘Madhavi’ which means sweetness and the sweetness is compared to the sweetness imparted by honey, nectar and wine.”
The root word is Madhu which means honey besides many other things.
Madhurya means sweetness
Madhavi means a procuress, bawd, a brothel keeper, an intoxicating drink, sugar, a drink made from honey, tulasi, a white flower ….
To the best of my knowledge, it does not mean sweetness or honey.
“Apparently, I am doing better than last year when
most people simply ignored what I write and have not bothered to give a response. I will keep trying and give a chance to people to think over the issue.”
As for response, almost without exception, the people on our mailing lists are persons who have made their own individual mark in various professions (academicians, vice-chancellors, award-winning scientists, reputed engineers with many patents to their credit, CEO’s and heads of organizations, senior administrators, and so forth. They are a mature, knowledgeable lot…. How ever, they do not respond as often as one would like them to.
1. They may not respond to something which is obviously true, because they feel that there is no need to endorse the obvious.
They may keep quiet when they see something patently absurd, thinking it would be pointless.
2. They may not want to react when they read statements which can neither be proved nor disproved (e.g. God created the world in 6 days…..).
3. They may also hesitate if they get the feeling that some of us tend to be preachy, patronising, judgmental, do not take even constructive analysis or comments kindly and, simply because we do not agree with some one’s views, react with anger, sarcasm, or merely to score debating points rather than with an open mind, unemotionally, constructively and with mutual respect.
The language of a scholarly discourse on a spiritual subject, a discussion in a scientific conference room, a paper in a scientific journal or a an article in a popular science magazine is much different from that of a political squabble or a teenage spat.
Some of the language we see in the mails and exchanges makes me uncomfortable. Perhaps it makes others uncomfortable too.
This may account for several amongst us keeping quiet even if they have contributions to make… just to avoid possible unpleasantness.
“To understand man and the world in which he exists, we need to know the dynamics of a star called Sun and a planet called Earth and their relationship as members of a Solar System. Each planet and the star that form this Sun family exhibit different kinds of motions”
This, and some other things.
“no single Law or mechanism that can account for this variation in their motions.”
The existing, well established sciences (Newton, Galileo, Kepler down to Einstein and the rest of the stalwarts) seamlessly explain all these and much more quantitatively ….
If you need separate sets of laws principles and explanations for individual cases, it will be an ad-hoc patchwork, not science.
“To postulate any hypothesis, basically it must be understood that planet Earth is a solid planet like Mercury, Venus, and Mars; whereas Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus and Neptune are gaseous planets.”
astrophysicists and physicists do understand this. Astronomy explains all these and black holes, neutrino stars, novae and supernovae …. It has even predicted the existence of unknown planets which were indeed discovered later. They were found at the exact locations that were predicted for them. There are innumerable other such predictions that science made which later turned out to be true (including the bending of light in a gravitational field and even the misleadingly named God Particle).
“It (the earth) is constantly moving and its position is constantly changing. We do not use the precise language called Mathematics to describe such a variable condition to which no value can be attached by using any kind of symbol that we can possibly imagine.”
It is for precisely such situations that the precision and power of various branches of mathematics are ideally suited, they have been and are being used for this purpose. (Mathematics is not a language.) In-depth knowledge of mathematics and physics will clarify how this is being done.
“To explain the complexity of Earth’s rotational spin, the Newtonian Mathematical Formula is inadequate and is imprecise.”
Anyone who can prove that Newtonian and subsequent physics is inadequate and provide a more adequate way will become more famous than Newton.
Anyone who is able to throw out the current foundations and framework of physics, astrophysics and astronomy by replacing them with a better one will be a bigger scientist than Newton, Einstein and the entire Galaxy of scientists and Astrophysicists who have so far worked in this area from times immemorial. He will be immortalised and reverentially remembered for all times to come, as long as there is mankind..
“If you use the word, “EVOLUTION” like a Magic Formula, it does not provide any answers.”
It is true that even in the 21st century, there is a Flat Earth Society and there are also people who junk Darwinian evolution. Often, opposition to Darwin is due to strong religious convictions. Therefore no comment.
“I state that cognition is a function of the living cell and not a function that could be performed by brain. It can be verified by simply studying amoeba which has cognitive abilities without having any special organs of sense perception.”
In case this is the currently accepted state of the art in this area, I would be grateful for a reference to the relevant scientific publication.
If on the other hand, it is a new idea, I suggest that you incorporate this claim in a ‘scientific paper’ and publish it in a reputed journal (perhaps even ‘nature’ because it appears very revolutionary.
“I am not sharing a romantic or poetic view about Love. In Indian tradition, the word Love is not used very often. Indian thinkers prefer to explain the experience of Love called Joy, Happiness, Bliss and use terms such as ‘ANANDA’, SANTOSH’, and ‘MADHURYA’.”
No comment, religion and tradition become touch-me-not subjects.
“For Love is a Fundamental Force, it operates biological actions and interactions and the fact of its existence is known by both subjective and objective criteria that can be used to measure the degree of happiness or unhappiness.”
Serotonin and endorphins.
“It is important to know that man is not the Controller of Energy/Power/Force for man leads an energy-dependent existence. If the fact of man’s energy dependence is not understood, you will not be ready to learn the first lesson of Spirituality Science.”
“The Laws of Physics and Chemistry are based on mechanistic principles. …. I am stating that you cannot explain the relationship between the energy-yielding, and energy-dependent molecules using the principles shared by Physics and Chemistry. I do not mind if you want to recognize what I call and describe as the ‘Spirituality Science’, the Science that is concerned with matter and energy acquisition and transformation to sustain biological actions and interactions.”
I feel that no one should conduct bhajans in an operation theatre or do post-mortem dissections (or even surgical operations) in temples.
“In the motions of planet Earth in relation to Sun, we can discern purposiveness, goal-oriented actions that can be subjectively and objectively experienced to understand the Magic of Creation.”
Obviously this is a statement of faith (It is like saying “there is God’ or that He pronounced the Ten Commandments). As far as I can see, it is not a scientific hypothesis that can be put to the rigours of very accurate quantitative testing and validation, which all theories and hypotheses of physical sciences have to pass and have passed before they were accepted. They can neither be proved nor disproved.
We scientists have therefore to leave these claims alone, because they fall outside the discipline of Science.
“To narrow the field of discussion to a few topics at a time, you can choose a topic of your choice; 1. The Laws of Thermodynamics-Entropy, and Temperature regulation by human body, 2. Oxidation-reduction Chemical reactions and control of H ion concentration as a subject of Spirituality Science, 3. Consciousness as a living function unexplained by Physics or Chemistry which explain chemical and physical interactions in the physical world, 4. Cognition, Intelligence which is unrelated to acquired knowledge or learned experience, and 5. Life span in relation to molecules and elements that are not perishable and immutable.”
Thank you for the kind and generous offer. But thanks to my current professional and other commitments, I have to forsake that luxury. Once again, thanks for your offer.
Hence, please understand if I do not participate anymore in this stream.
Dr. PVS Rao
On 9 September 2014 06:14, R.Rudranarasimham wrote:
What is Binary Code?
The computer that we use, may be using a language that is called ‘Binary Code’. All of our communications are made possible because the computer programmer has used this Binary Code and the instructions given to the Computer are easily recognized by this language of Mathematics that uses numerical symbols. But, if I write this letter using the Code, most of us would fail to know its contents. To experience the reality of man, and the reality of world, the medium called Mathematical Language is totally inadequate. You may be able to make statements using precise numbers with values and yet it will remain unintelligible.
To explain the complexity of Earth’s rotational spin, the Newtonian Mathematical Formula is inadequate and is imprecise. It is easy to describe the Conservation of Angular Momentum but it is extremely difficult to evolve a mathematical formula to describe the Momentum in its relationship to Earth’s precise location in this vast universe. From the moment planet Earth came into its condition called existence, there are never two identical instants in its long life which is measured as billions of years. At no instant in this long existence, planet Earth existed at the same location of the universe. It is constantly moving and its position is constantly changing. We do not use the precise language called Mathematics to describe such a variable condition to which no value can be attached by using any kind of symbol that we can possibly imagine.
Ann Arbor, MI 48104-4162, USA
On Monday, September 8, 2014 6:18 PM, Srinivasa Rao Kankipati wrote:
It would be nice if all this longish narration is put in mathematical form and presented to a scientific journal for publication. It would benefit a wider audience, who otherwise have to reach your blog on their own and swim for the nuggets of truth. Newton, Einstein, Planck etc not only narrated their discoveries in a short form but also expressed them in mathematical form. For example, Newton’s Second Law of Motion takes the concise form
F = m a, where F and a are vector quantities. If F =0, it means a = 0, meaning that v = 0 or c, implying that the body is at rest or is having uniform motion in a straight line.
Similarly, it should be possible to frame your theory on Law of Love in mathematical form and regale your audience and edify them. Please try it with your vast capabilities you I am sure will not fail. Best Wishes.
On 8 September 2014 14:22, R.Rudra Narasimham <rebbapragada> wrote:
What is force?
In Physics, force is defined as the cause or agent that puts an object at rest into motion or alters the motion of a moving object. This issue has come up for discussion to account for man’s existence on the surface of a fast spinning celestial object. The fundamental force called gravitation may explain planet Earth’s elliptical orbit but it cannot account for the Earth’s revolution around its own axis. Since the concern is about explaining human existence, as we belong to the Solar family, we have to initially give attention to the motions displayed by other members of this family. In this context, I have used the term fundamental force and mentioned that Love is a Fundamental Force. I am not speaking about feelings or thoughts of Love. I am trying to find a name to describe the force that has put Earth into its fast spinning motion. If there is a name in Physics, kindly feel free to reveal that name. The suggestion that a glancing collision can initiate or alter the motion of a moving object sounds good but cannot withstand simple scrutiny. We need a variety of celestial objects of different dimensions to collide with other celestial objects of varying dimensions and generate the angular momentum that establishes the uniqueness of the celestial object. For example, planet Earth, and Moon need two different kinds of objects to give them the rotational spins they display. Then, what happens to that agent that caused this motion? I would expect that agent to remain in the Solar system as it would be governed by Sun’s force of gravitation. If the agent is too small, it will not be able to exert enough force to cause a change in motion. We are able to develop and use a Lunar calendar and develop a concept of time for the motions of Moon are synchronized with motions of planet Earth. Apart from that living beings like man exist for a measured length of time in which the individual organism uses the length or duration of periods of light called day, and periods of darkness called night. While the living matter has its own kinds of motions, its living functions are operated by an environmental change that is recognized as Sunrise and Sunset while in reality there is no Sunrise or Sunset. Take your time, give the name from Physics. If Physics cannot name it, I would name the Force as Love.
What is Cognition?
Cognition involves the ability to process information( the act, the condition, and the state of knowing a range of facts). The living cell is separated from its external environment by its Plasma Membrane or Biological Membrane. This Membrane allows a highly controlled exchange of matter across the barrier it poses, some compounds are able to pass through the membrane easily, others are completely blocked. The selective absorption of ions, molecules may require the use of energy and it is not operated by laws of Physics which govern the movement of particles across semipermeable membranes and depends on partial pressures. At a fundamental level, every living cell has the cognitive ability to recognize the existence of other living cells that are present in its immediate, external environment. Kindly find time to read about Membranes, Membrane transportation, Membrane Structures and functions. The Outer Unit Membrane of Mitochondria controls the passage of material into and out of the Mitochondria and govern their internal environment. This Membrane recognizes and controls the flow of nearly 1,500 different peptides. Actually, my brain may not even know all the names of these compounds. My cognitive power and ability is far inferior when compared to the cognitive abilities of individual cells and other membrane-bound structures like nucleus, mitochondria, and ribosomes.
I describe ‘consciousness’ as the biological function that is concerned with knowing the fact, state, and condition called existence at a given place and time. At a fundamental level, consciousness is not a function called thinking which is a mental function or cortical function.
Ann Arbor, MI 48104-4162, USA
On Monday, September 8, 2014 12:57 PM, Srinivasa Rao Kankipati wrote:
We all know that the feeling of love guides human affairs and even the behaviour among animals though not in plants. But it is news that there is a Law of Love which governs all other forces. If so, the way it governs has not been indicated, only postulated. And postulation is not proof. By authoritarian means, it can be rubbed down the throats of gullible followers but even they will not be convinced after the initial newness of the theory wears off.
One person says the Law of Love governs the universe. He does not define the terms Law and Love. The same man at another point says that cells have the power of cognition, without caring to define what cognition is. If cognition is the ability to carry out certain prescribed functions but not others, then even a computer chip is able to do that and it is ridiculous to endow them with the ability of cognition. All that is required for certain functions to be carried out is that the proper structure must be there in the agent that carries out the function, and there must be the energy supply to the agent to enable this to be done. Thus both structure and energy are essential. I am not prepared to call this combination cognition, because it is just a new word for a known function.
Another man loosely says that the entire universe is governed by Consciousness. And he is not even conscious that consciousness is nothing but a recording of some information and the ability to recall it, carried out by remarkable swiftness and accuracy by brain cells in human beings and other beings. But 99.0099% of the universe is not conscious of any aspect of the rest of the universe! Still the man theorizes that Consciousness governs the universe. He is even so preposterous as to hypothesise that God is Consciousness Incarnate, without caring to define consciousness and personification
Even Swami Vivekananda defines the goal of life as Freedom. The way he defines Freedom is to say: “In Freedom we arise, in Freedom we exist, and in Freedom we merge”. Try as I did with due to respect to this great man, I could never decipher the meaning of this statement. The maximum meaning that can be squeezed into this statement is that man has no existence before his birth, and that he has no existence after his death. This again flies in the face of the assertion of the Gitacharya Krishna that there is a previous birth and an after-birth, and some vasanas are carried forward by an entity called Atma. He has generously allotted an atma to even plants, but has not bothered to explain what a prebirth for a given plant is and what is going to be its next birth, and what vasanas are carried forward by its atma. Meanwhile atma itself is a nebulous entity simply carrying the vasanas, and after all the vasanas are worked off, atma just disappears.
My own feeling is that man is a superior structure evolved over at least two hundred thousand years by Nature, having the apparatus to imagine, think and postulate. His very imagination makes him drunk with the feeling that whatever he imagines must be real. That is why every Tom, Dick and Harry floats his own theory of the creation, existence and decease of the universe and collects his own following to shout support to that theory. The modern equivalent is to create a blog, and use a loudspeaker to cry to everybody, “Love me, Love my blog”, or “See my twitter, See my flutter”.
The great goals before science are to find out how genes inherited also enable the inheritance of certain behaviour patterns in each man, and how inheritance, instructions and impressions, which are the chief factors governing a man’s life during his existence between his Conception and his Death, are getting embedded in one’s own genes and are passed on to his offspring. No need for atmas, suvasanas or durvasanas, and no previous births and no future births. A man’s Beginning is his Conception, and his Breakup is his Death, and no Existence prior to Conception and posterior to Death, and his ability to interact with the world of other human beings, other beings and things, and his ability to be interacted upon by them, exists only during the brief period starting with his Conception and his Death. Men must allow time for Science to investigate this fact seriously, and not license Religion to speculate it furiously. Because the so-called religionists by definition abjure all responsibility to explain their theories, claiming an exclusive divine authorisation for all their prattle. Unfortunately, Divinity seems to be conveying different conflicting messages to different messengers whereas scientists always try to employ repeatable and objective experiments to arrive at verifiable, logical and consensual results. Scientists have a lot of work to do on their hands but have no more than 24 hours a day in which to do this. But most other men with no worthwhile work to do also cannot have less than 24 hours a day. They have to spend this forced time duration to speculate and to collect followers, who otherwise spend their own 24 hours a day in perpetrating mutual violence and destruction. Religion has its origin in this fact of nature which compels man to use his 24 hours a day in at least some useless activities such as religious rituals so long as they are not harmful, as otherwise the worse alternative is to spend that time in violent activities. The best preoccupation for man could be pursuit of science and adoption of humanism to find out how the human misery found everywhere can be mitigated. The worst preoccupation is to indulge in crime and in heaping violence on others under “motive less malignity” as Shakespeare describes about Iago. In between stand various religions and their sects, the greatest being the Vedic thought of equality of all men, their essential divinity and tolerance towards all religions, and the worst being those which enjoin on their followers the dictum “Convert or Kill”.
On 7 September 2014 09:14, R.Rudra Narasimham <rebbapragada> wrote:
Dear Mr. Xavier,
Thanks for your very kind response. I am glad to write that you are the first person, who for the first time, asked me to explain the term called ‘spirituality’. That gives me a chance to attach the meaning to the word that I use. Kindly find time to visit the blog post on this subject and it takes about five minutes to read. I derive the understanding of spiritualism or spirituality from the work done by scientists such as Jan Evangelista Purkinje(1787-1869 Czech Physiologist), and Hugo Von Mohl(1805-1872 German Botanist) and it is very important to recognize these names and to pay tribute to their living memory and honor them for their work and contributions.
Whether people sing Bhajans or Keertans, eat Chicken after ritualistic killing, or consume flesh from cadavers, or drink alcohol(Soma or others), the basic motivation is attributable to the tensions inherent to the human condition called existence. There are two strong, and opposing forces that are at work while man lives in the real world; 1. Dependence, and 2. Freedom. Man leads a dependent existence that demands continuous supply of energy from an external source and man uses the power called imagination to seek Freedom, Liberation, Release, Vimochan, Salvation, Mukti, or Moksha from the misery of his conditioned, dependent existence. There is a fundamental drive to discover a theory that may provide a solution to this human problem caused by inherent contradictions or dualism or dichotomy. Humans are searching for an answer and they hope to find it in the religious doctrines they formulate or inspired to reveal. To that extent, I describe Spirituality or Spiritualism as the quest to discover peace, harmony, and tranquility in the living human condition. For man is a social animal, it should not be of any surprise if several people come together and behave as a group sharing certain beliefs and practices.
In the Indian tradition, thinkers are directed to look inwards rather than outwards. This is a method of inquiry, investigation, or observation and it is scientifically valid. As a scientist, I look at myself, I am the Observer and at the same time, I am the object of scientific inquiry or the Observed. I use the term Spirit or Soul to describe the animating, vital, life principle of all living things. The Principle is known by the functions it operates. In Biology, and Physiology, the structures and their functions are discovered through careful observations and experimental verification. When I speak about Spirituality, I visualize the living substance, living matter, or living material called Protoplasm described by scientists like Purkinje and Hugo Von Mohl. Since Spirit and Soul are associated with a material substance that can be studied, the Spirituality Science that I describe is ready for testing and verification. In my view, my Theory of Spirituality is already verified and the dispute if any pertains to the reasoning process that I use to interpret the scientific body of information. I do not ask people to agree with my statements and I do not ask people to approve my statements, and I am rather challenging people to contest my interpretation of verified scientific knowledge that already shared by text books on Biology, Anatomy, and Physiology. I simply curious as to why people are silent.
Ann Arbor, MI 48104-4162, USA
On Sunday, September 7, 2014 10:53 AM, Srinivasa Rao Kankipati wrote:
Well said, Xavier. Out of politeness, we refrain from calling a spade a spade. But this is taken as a lack of strength in our arguments and the opponents make a downright attack on our views. As you say, in almost all cases, people who put up a show of spirituality actually fall for the music in the songs or the rhythm in the poems and do not understand what exactly the words therein stand for.
If A and B both have admiration for X, then it is human weakness that A, B together form a tacit or explicit brotherhood. Next to their own selves, the object of their protection and promotion is this brotherhood. This is done by adding more members in the brotherhood, and attacking C and D who similarly have developed an admiration for Y. This is how sects, political parties and religions are formed. Meanwhile, X and Y do nothing to benefit their followers. If X and Y are dead, moreover, they also cannot do anything for their followers. If they have spirits as is popularly supposed, then their spirits also keep fighting in heaven. Perhaps Jesus and Muhammad are still fighting in heaven, instead of reaching an amicable settlement and conveying to their followers here on earth, by dint of their powers, the urgent need to live a happy human life instead of spilling blood.
On 6 September 2014 19:18, Xavier William wrote:
Dear Rudra,In your extensive and no doubt erudite treatise you have dwelt upon many things which are way over my head though I am a qualified engineer. In your treatise you also mention the word spirituality a number of times. The naive, uneducated idiot that I am (according to Rabindra Kaul) I simply cannot understand what spirituality means. And as a rationalist I think there is no sense whatsoever in discussing a thing which does not mean anything to me. According to my idiocy the first thing to do in a discussion is to define the words used. So I looked up dictionaries and encyclopedias and I find that they too are as much in the dark as I am in defining exactly the word spirituality, except that it has something to do with religion and beliefs. So Mr.Rudra can you please enlighten me on exactly what you mean by spirituality.
Take the song or keerthan ‘Jai Jagdish Hare’ from the movie ‘Purab Aur Paschim’ It has a certain rhythm to it and as you swing your head left and right in accompaniment to the drums and bells you feel something. This I think is called spirituality. But people who do not cater to your beliefs do not feel anything about the keerthan or other like it.
There is a temple at Kodungalloor some 70 km from my place where spirituality comes by drinking and dancing and biting off the head of a chicken and drinking the blood that squirts from the chicken. But I am sure that such practices are obnoxious to you and hold no spiritual value to you.
Then there are the aghoris of Benares who consume morsels of burnt human flesh from the funeral pyres along the Ganges banks. They do it in the belief that such cannibalism will liberate them from the endless cycles of births and rebirths. For them such cannibalism has a spiritual dimension to it whereas the very thought of consuming human flesh would make you throw up. However thousands of years ago human sacrifice and cannibalism were practiced by our ancestors and these practices had spiritual values associated them. Similarly for Vedic people animal sacrifices and consumption of liquor (soma) had spiritual dimension. But now …
Obviously spirituality is highly subjective and depends on one’s beliefs which in turn depends on your parents and society. What is spiritual to one is profane to another. Spirituality is also an instance of self-hypnotism or self-delusion. If you delude yourself into the belief that singing Jai Jagdish song will elate you to nirvana it will. If you don’t believe in such stuff there is no spirituality. So my dear Rudra do no put up such subjects as spirituality up for discussion since such things mean vastly different and often incompatible things to different people.
On Sat, Sep 6, 2014 at 11:37 PM, R.Rudra Narasimham <rebbapragada> wrote:
Thanks for your reply and thanks for that extra effort to answer the issues by including quotes from my letter. Apparently, I am doing better than last year when most people simply ignored what I write and have not bothered to give a response. I will keep trying and give a chance to people to think over the issue.
You made an attempt to explain the rotational spin of planets and your own explanation is not consistent with your own statements. Initially, you suggested that a glancing collision can cause the rotational spin of a planet( this is a theory to explain the rotational spin of Venus) and later you state with a profound sense of optimism, nothing can stop or suddenly slow down Earth’s rotational spin. You have to reconcile your own views.
The thing called rocket uses a mechanism of propulsion called ‘thrust’, and a variety of propellants are used to produce the desired ‘thrust’. To send a rocket at the speed of light, we may have to use the entire mass of this universe as a propellant to obtain or generate the power or force using the mechanism of thrust propulsion. I do hope that you understand as to why I am giving this explanation. The size of the particle is of great importance. You may have to imagine the size of photon or light particle as compared to the size of rocket with or without man.
Again, I ask all of you to discuss one concept at a time so that we may have a better understanding of the subject. If you use the word, “EVOLUTION” like a Magic Formula, it does not provide any answers. The Biological Clock is the same and we really know that life is existing on planet Earth for billions of years. The Clock is the same and it is unchanging and it is not evolving. The living substance or matter is the same and it is not evolving. The Biological Clock serves to maintain existence and it also serves to determine the life span of the individual organism. It is a plan for dissolution after a predetermined lifetime.
The Laws of Physics and Chemistry are based on mechanistic principles. They explain interactions that are random, unguided, and purposeless. These are the most common interactions that we observe in the vast universe. But, we observe living things only on planet Earth in this vast universe that we have explored and known. The biotic interactions are guided, sequential, purposeful, and goal-oriented. There is a principle called ‘altruism’ that aims at the survival of the organism. The Four Fundamental Interactions; Strong Nuclear, Weak Nuclear, Electromagnetism, and Gravitation cannot account for biotic interactions and actions. When we explain the term food chain, it describes the movement of matter and energy. It speaks about the relationships between energy-yielding molecules, and energy-dependent molecules. I am stating that you cannot explain the relationship between the energy-yielding, and energy-dependent molecules using the principles shared by Physics and Chemistry. I do not mind if you want to recognize what I call and describe as the ‘Spirituality Science’, the Science that is concerned with matter and energy acquisition and transformation to sustain biological actions and interactions.
You have stated that cognition is a function of the brain. I state that cognition is a function of the living cell and not a function that could be performed by brain. It can be verified by simply studying Amoeba proteus which has cognitive abilities without having any special organs of sense perception.
To narrow the field of discussion to a few topics at a time, you can choose a topic of your choice; 1. The Laws of Thermodynamics-Entropy, and Temperature regulation by human body, 2. Oxidation-reduction Chemical reactions and control of H ion concentration as a subject of Spirituality Science, 3. Consciousness as a living function unexplained by Physics or Chemistry which explain chemical and physical interactions in the physical world, 4. Cognition, Intelligence which is unrelated to acquired knowledge or learned experience, and 5. Life span in relation to molecules and elements that are not perishable and immutable. I am not sharing a romantic or poetic view about Love. In Indian tradition, the word Love is not used very often. Indian thinkers prefer to explain the experience of Love called Joy, Happiness, Bliss and use terms such as ‘ANANDA’, SANTOSH’, and ‘MADHURYA’. The word ‘Madhurya’ is derived from the word ‘Madhavi’ which means sweetness and the sweetness is compared to the sweetness imparted by honey, nectar and wine. In other words, Indian tradition claims that Love can be experienced like a sensation and it can be subjectively and objectively verified. Indian tradition uses term like ‘MADHAVA’ to describe the Controller of a Force/Power/Energy/Shakti called ‘MADHAVI’ and that Force is known from knowing the experience it generates. For Love is a Fundamental Force, it operates biological actions and interactions and the fact of its existence is known by both subjective and objective criteria that can be used to measure the degree of happiness or unhappiness. It is important to know that man is not the Controller of Energy/Power/Force for man leads an energy-dependent existence. If the fact of man’s energy dependence is not understood, you will not be ready to learn the first lesson of Spirituality Science.
Ann Arbor, MI 48104-4162, USA
On Saturday, September 6, 2014 3:13 AM, Dr. PVS Rao wrote:
Thank you for your mail. Your sentences are in black and my responses are in blue.
There are reasons as to why man is not able to design rockets that can travel faster.
There could be technological issues but no fundamental barriers to achieving non-relativistic velocities using a variety of known propulsion methods.
Man is not a Controller of Force/Power/Energy.
Not an issue.
.. you make no attempt to explain the relation between Earth’s rotational spin and Force of Gravitation.
Either you have not understood the inquiry or you know that Force of Gravitation cannot account for it.
The physics involved in the rotation of stellar objects is as follows.
Consider a set of gas clouds in a region of space. While moving at their own speeds, these are also subject to mutual attraction due to gravity. So they tend to move closer to each other, in fact towards their common centre of gravity. Since they were all moving independently to start with, they would have a lateral velocity component (in addition to the radial component due to attraction towards the centre of gravity). If they were stationary to start with, they would have moved directly (straight) to the centre, but due to the lateral component of their velocity, they would be moving in converging, (concentric) spiral paths.
Also, since (angular) momentum has to be conserved, their angular velocities will increase as the radius of curvature decreases. The circular movement gets faster and faster as they get close to the centre. (An apt analogy would be a pirouetting ballerina or ice skater – when she moves her hands and feet close to her body, she spins faster.) As the distance to the centre decreases, the clouds merge and their combined rotational (angular) velocity would be the weighted vector sum of the velocities of the individual clouds.
This (adiabatic) contraction increases the temperature and pressure, eventually making nuclear fusion possible. We now have a bright, hot, concentrated, spinning mass of gas, generating (nuclear) energy – i.e. a spinning star.
Thus, gravitation does play a prominent role in causing the stars to form and spin.
Planets and satellites spin due to retention of rotational energy from the parent star as well as due to glancing collisions with other celestial bodies.
The rotational spin does not significantly affect the ‘force of gravitation’. The centrifugal force due to the earth’s rotational spin acts counter to the force of gravity, so that the resultant effective downward pull is reduced slightly. This reduction can be calculated.
We started this discussion about speed, and velocity in the context of man’s physical existence on the surface of a fast spinning, and moving object.
I claim that man has no ability to have direct sensory experience of the speed of Earth.
In that case, you are in agreement with my explanation.
The fact is that this inability is not really only a human characteristic. Man cannot experience the velocity of the earth because movement with constant velocity has zero effect on physical matter (animate or otherwise). There is therefore no scientific experiment by which one can determine or feel movement at constant velocity in a straight line. Consequently, man too, who uses physical matter for sensory inputs, cannot have any sensory awareness of such movement. (As regards rotation, a Foucault pendulum or Gyroscope will tell him about this.)
The first experiment in physiology is often the study of muscle contraction. (common school science exhibition demos with dead frogs leaping when given an electrical shock.) When the nerve is stimulated using an electrical impulse, the muscle contracts and it is recorded on a paper. There are physiological limits to this ability called contraction. When the nerve is repeatedly stimulated, the muscle contraction fails; rather we see the problem of twitching, fibrillation, or seizure in which the contractions cannot perform any useful task. (tonic and tetanic contractions, muscle twitch, nerve refractory time, need for sodium ion replenishment, tetanus, are accepted facts).
I agree entirely with your paragraph. However, there is and there can be no scope for overstimulation as a consequence of the earth’s movement in space (discussed in later paragraphs).
The Vestibular function is concerned with motion and balance and over-stimulation does not produce recognizable sensory experience.
This is true.
Astronauts are trained to test their physiological functions and pilots use simulators to experience the effects of speed and motion.
(I would say, to experience the effects of acceleration and deceleration. The simulator of course has many other features which are most important for pilot training).
When you watch a film, if you move the film at a fast forward rate, you see a blur on the screen. The Visual sensory function fails if the images are moving too fast.
Man is placed on a fast-moving Earth.
Scientists say he is there as a result of Darwinian evolution.
Man is protected from the sensory experience of speed as the physiological mechanism gets overstretched.
We do experience sensory overload if we look at the close-by girders when in a fast train negotiating a bridge.
When I traveled on the Bullet train in Japan for the first time in the sixties, I knew from physics that I would not be able to feel the linear speed, but I was thrilled at the prospect of experiencing this sensory overload that I expected to occur as nearby trees rushed by. Sadly, when in the bullet train, I was so disappointed. There was absolutely no sensory overload even at this high train speed – simply because I could see absolutely nothing rushing by. Why? Because the Japanese made sure that there were no trees or other discontinuities anywhere near the train tracks. No telephone or other track-side poles either. The only thing visible was the distant landscape, and thanks to this distance this appeared to move ever so slowly. This is what happens even when we fly and see the landscape below. Everything appears to be moving slowly, because of the great height, and there is no sensory overload (except, to a small extent, while landing and take off because of seeing nearby objects in fast apparent motion). Conversely, seen from below, the plane too appears to be moving slowly, because of the distance and its small-size, relative to the distance.
This is also what happens when we, traveling on our planet, see the other fast-moving celestial objects. They don’t appear to be moving at all.
Now, man moving at ‘high’ speed, riding the earth: The earth is moving at whatever speed in space – space which is practically empty. There are a few relatively small objects sun, moon, planets and stars) in the vastness of space, at great distances from each other. We must remember that the earth takes one year to cover the near-circular orbit!
Also, what is important when we talk of sensory overload is the rapidity with which the image moves on our retina; this depends not on the actual speed but only on the angular velocity of the object(s) with respect to the eye, as I mentioned in the case of the bullet train and the aeroplane.
Thanks to the great distance and consequently the very small angular velocity, there is no sensory overload on us despite the speed of the planet(s). A visual overload would have occurred if the neighbouring objects had been close enough to have a high angular velocity with respect to the retina. In such a case of course, this would have been the least of our problems. Their gravitational pull would probably have devastated the earth as we know it.
Hence, no special protection mechanism is needed for man… and there is none.
Man experiences severe giddiness if the speed comes down suddenly.
We can blissfully live on the surface of Earth as long as it will not slow down. Venus moves very slowly around its axis and man cannot tolerate if the speed of Earth suddenly changes.
I agree entirely ,,,, BUT…
There is no — absolutely no.. way by which the earth’s rotation can change even quickly, let alone suddenly.
The earth, like a spinning top, will continue spinning, thanks to the law of conservation of angular momentum. I can liken it to a spinning merry-go-round. It can never stop abruptly. Even the brake on the merry-go-round takes time to bring it to a stop.
There are no forces in the universe that can make the earth to change its spin velocity suddenly, so we are very safe.
The earth does in fact slowdown … very slowly … due to energy loss because of the tidal action due to the sun and the moon, but even this slow down is very small. The tidal action of the sun did slow down the speed of rotation of Venus but one has to remember that Venus is much smaller and closer to the sun … also that even so, it has taken eons for this slow down to happen. The same is the case with the rotation of the moon which also slowed down due to tidal action caused by the earth’s gravitation (again very slowly) till it ended up always showing the same face to us (period of rotation became equal to period of revolution round the earth).
Similar arguments apply regarding the earth suddenly slowing down in its orbit. It just cannot do that … any more than a train or a car can stop suddenly. Conservation of momentum means it takes much force applied over much time for a moving heavy object to stop.
But, man’s existence on Earth is synchronized with the speed of Earth for it gives man day and night and changing seasons with expected frequency.
Due to the process of evolution, many flora and fauna ended up having biological clocks which are circadian. Lunar cyclicity is also known in human body functions. In fauna, this annual cycle runs driven to a considerable extent by varying lengths of days and nights, temperature, humidity and other parameters which have an annual cyclicity.
The rules and laws of Physics do not determine the physiological abilities and functions like motion that living matter exhibits.
It is true that understanding living matter requires a vastly interdisciplinary approach. But doesn’t your above statement amount to saying that physiological abilities and functions are beyond or contrary to scientific laws and hence outside the capabilities of scientists and of the medical profession to understand and systematically cure?
Such beliefs (putting living matter in a special ‘this-is-not-physics- or-chemistry’ category) were indeed prevalent in the initial stages of scientific development. However, scientists, by their efforts, have lifted the veil that blocked our vision and made various branches of science (which deal with living matter, including medical science) possible. For example. it was believed at one time that organic compounds (such as urea) cannot be synthesized in the laboratory ( i.e. outside living organisms) because they required a mysterious life force which, it was claimed, existed only in living organisms. Now, not just urea but we synthesize the most complex organic molecules; even DNA can be manipulated. We know a lot about how the brain works. Scientific research is expanding the frontiers of knowledge. The entire edifice of medical knowledge and practice is based on how well we understand the various physiological functions of living matter. Belief that medical science works is based on the assumption thatthese functions can and have largely been understood using scientific methods in terms of the laws of physics, chemistry and so on.
Scientists are working to further push forward the frontiers of knowledge, to understand and explain all biological processes (including even complex brain functions like cognition).
Another thought: one can see physics and chemistry systematically at play in every biological function: kidneys and the bladder, digestion and excretion, retinal processing and transmission of visual images to the brain including the mechanics of stereoscopic vision, the auditory system including recognition of speech and non-speech sounds, the hand bowling, batting or catching the ball in cricket, the foraging bee communicating information to other bees about a cache of honey bearing flowers that it has located, finally even the simple act of a human just standing still …. The scientist has understood these in terms of (laws and rules of) physics and chemistry – without if’s or but’s. In each of these, there is no mystery at all.
(I am leaving out scientific work relating to ‘intelligence. For the time being, because that is still on.)
It is the belief that science is the proper and effective tool to understand the functions of living matter (and that this is a proven fact) which is the solid base and premise on which medical science and practice stand.
Hence, there is a Law that brings unity, harmony, and tranquillity in the human living condition and experience, and I claim that Law is LOVE, a Fundamental Force that operates all other forces.
“A fundamental force of love operating all other forces” is an interesting thought, and reminds me of Einstein’s radical prediction that light bends in a gravitational field. Science accepted this only after it was tested and verified (during a total solar eclipse).
Thoughts about he force of love are common in (romantic) literature. After Einstein, an immortal poem comes to mind
“for mightier far – Than strength of nerve and sinew, – or the sway Of magic potent over sun and star, – Is love”
.. almost exactly what you are saying.
The next lines, say
“though oft to agony distrest – And though his favourite seat be feeble woman’s breast.”.
What beautiful poetry, WIlliam Wordsworth be praised!
I wish this love force is identified, controlled and used for the common good.
In the meanwhile, no one should be able to repeat to us, men of science, a few more words from the same poem,
“And Thou, though strong in love, art all too weak in reason”
Prof PVS Rao
On 2 September 2014 23:10, R.Rudra Narasimham <rebbapragada> wrote:
Thanks for basically evading the discussion and presenting speculation as a possibility. There are reasons as to why man is not able to design rockets that can travel faster. You can easily find out these reasons for yourself. Man is not a Controller of Force/Power/Energy. Secondly, you make no attempt to explain the relation between Earth’s rotational spin and Force of Gravitation. Either you have not understood the inquiry or you know that Force of Gravitation cannot account for it. We started this discussion about speed, and velocity in the context of man’s physical existence on the surface of a fast spinning, and moving object. I claim that man has no ability to have direct sensory experience of the speed of Earth. Some basic understanding of physiology is needed to know the ability of nerve to conduct a nerve impulse. The first experiment in physiology is often the study of muscle contraction. When the nerve is stimulated using an electrical impulse, the muscle contracts and it is recorded on a paper. There are physiological limits to this ability called contraction. When the nerve is repeatedly stimulated, the muscle contraction fails, rather we see the problem of twitching, fibrillation, or seizure in which the contractions cannot perform any useful task. The Vestibular function is concerned with motion and balance and over-stimulation does not produce recognizable sensory experience. Astronauts are trained to test their physiological functions and pilots use simulators to experience the effects of speed and motion. The limits of tolerance are understood. When you watch a film, if you move the film at a fast forward rate, you see a blur on the screen. The Visual sensory function fails if the images are moving too fast. Man is placed on a fast-moving Earth and man is protected from the sensory experience of speed as the physiological mechanism gets overstretched. Man experiences severe giddiness if the speed comes down suddenly. We can blissfully live on the surface of Earth as long as it will not slow down. Venus moves very slowly around its axis and man cannot tolerate if the speed of Earth suddenly changes. But, man’s existence on Earth is synchronized with the speed of Earth for it gives man day and night and changing seasons with expected frequency. The rules and laws of Physics do not determine the physiological abilities and functions like motion that living matter exhibits. Hence, there is a Law that brings unity, harmony, and tranquility in the human living condition and experience, and I claim that Law is LOVE, a Fundamental Force that operates all other forces.
Ann Arbor, MI 48104-4162, USA
On 1 September 2014 23:19, Dr. PVS Rao wrote:
Thanks for your interest. Here are the answers. The questions are in black and the responses in blue.
There is no device that can accelerate man to make him travel at the speed of light.
Pl note my qualifier in my last mail:(We shall be considering speeds much less than that of light (0.3 million km/sec- in vacuum) so we will not consider relativistic effects.)
It is inconsistent or the statement that suggests that speed has no effect on man is flawed.
Not applicable; as clarified at the beginning of my last mail, I am talking only about speeds much less than that of light.
The Linear Velocity of Earth is 66,660 miles/hour, or 107278.87km/hour, or 18.5 miles/second with a slight variation due to Earth’s elliptical orbit. This Velocity is apparently greater than the Escape Velocity that you have mentioned.
This is earth’s velocity relative to the Sun and the earth’s orbit. Escape velocity relates to escaping the earth’s gravitation and is defined relative to the earth. The speed with which the earth is travelling relative to some to other frame of reference (e.g. the sun) is of no consequence. In other words, when we are at rest on the earth, we are already travelling at this velocity, along with the earth. We need only to add only another 7 mph ie 11.2km to this speed which we already have. Only this escape velocity, relative to the earth, is needed.
Kindly describe the device such as a Rocket that man may use to travel at the Linear Velocity of 18.5 miles/second. Is there a device that can carry man into space at that speed
As clarified above, such speeds are not needed to get out of the earth’s gravitational pull; we need only 7 mph or 11.2 kmph. Men have already used such devices to reach the moon (somewhat less than 7 mph is needed to reach the moon). They are planning to use them for manned Mars missions. (Unmanned missions are already on).
What kind of fuel or energy or force that man may use to accelerate himself into space to attain that Speed?
How long and how far man would travel at that Speed?
As needed; no limit except food, supplies and lifetime.
What would happen if man has to decelerate to get back to planet Earth or any other destination?
Nothing would happen to the man. He has to have a rocket or similar device to provide him controlled deceleration (to keep G forces during the deceleration within limits) that will bring him to landing speeds in reasonable time. Before landing any planet, say, you have to match its speed in the solar system. This requires careful planning of the trajectory (including the expected position and velocity of the target planet at landing time) to start with. This is a bit like a circus acrobat jumping from one swing to another.
The problem of speed, acceleration, velocity, direction and duration of motion is not over until you talk about the motion performed by living things ….
The movement of living beings (land, air or water) is well understood.
The living substance called Protoplasm or Cytoplasm….
I am sure there are scientists who can talk to you about this.
Dr PVS Rao
On 31 August 2014 23:15, R.Rudra Narasimham <rebbapragada> wrote:
Thanks for that kind explanation. I do hope that you are not in a hurry to make an interpretation that is not supported by the information that you have shared. We live in the era of ‘Particle Accelerators’ and people have designed devices to impart acceleration and study the effects.
To state that man can travel at any speed may not stand the test of verification. There is no device that can accelerate man to make him travel at the speed of light. Light consists of pockets of energy called photons which can race through space at that amazing speed. Man needs Light and its energy but man’s structural and functional organization is described by molecules and man does not exist if he is transformed into particles and be given the acceleration. It is inconsistent or the statement that suggests that speed has no effect on man is flawed.
The Linear Velocity of Earth is 66,660 miles/hour, or 107278.87km/hour, or 18.5 miles/second with a slight variation due to Earth’s elliptical orbit. This Velocity is apparently greater than the Escape Velocity that you have mentioned. Kindly describe the device such as a Rocket that man may use to travel at the Linear Velocity of 18.5 miles/second. Is there a device that can carry man into space at that speed? What kind of fuel or energy or force that man may use to accelerate himself into space to attain that Speed? How long and how far man would travel at that Speed? What would happen if man has to decelerate to get back to planet Earth or any other destination?
The Force of Gravitation can account for Earth’s Linear Velocity and elliptical orbit. The problem is about accounting for Earth’s rotational spin around its own axis. The Force of Gravitation cannot account for this Angular Speed. Each celestial object that is explored by man and is observed by man shows a rotational spin and a spin with its own characteristics apart from the rate of spin or speed. You cannot name two celestial objects of this vast universe with “identical” rotational speeds and inclination of the axis for that rotation. To say that the Force of Gravitation is acting in a mechanistic manner will not account for this observed variation in the behavior of celestial objects.
The problem of speed, acceleration, velocity, direction and duration of motion is not over until you talk about the motion performed by living things in the physical universe where all interactions are accounted by the Four Fundamental Interactions. The living substance called Protoplasm or Cytoplasm shows its own characteristic motion called ‘Amoeboid’, and Cytoplasmic Streaming that can be easily observed. What are the Laws that govern this motion exhibited by the living things? What are the Fundamental Interactions that determine this motion or movement? How to explain the change in direction of movement of living things?
In my native language of Telugu, a proverb recommends that it is better to drink water while standing rather than drinking milk while running. Man can run but there is no place that he can hide. If man is saved, he is saved by the Fundamental Force called ‘LOVE’ and it can be observed in behavioral characteristics such as Krupa, Daya, Prema, Vatsalya, Maryada, or Mercy, Grace, Compassion. These are often grouped together as ‘PROVIDENCE’.
Ann Arbor, MI 48104-4162, USA
On 30 August 2014 21:24, R.Rudra Narasimham <rebbapragada> wrote:
GOD IS ONE INFINITE SUBSTANCE:
Baruch(Benedict) Spinoza(1632-77), Dutch philosopher taught there is but one infinite substance, God or Nature having infinite attributes of which only thought and extension are knowable. He was excommunicated from Jewish community. He held that mind and body as merely different aspects of a single substance. He defined God as Nature in its fullness.
Whatever may be the problems of religion, and whatever other people choose to do is not the purpose of our discussion. The purpose of Science is to describe and codify observations and experiences. Natural Sciences provide accepted body of information about the world and human body. We need to arrange this information into a meaningful pattern and interpret it to describe the reality or truth about man. We need to apply a reasoning process which involves analysis of basic concepts to determine their consistency.
In modern science, the investigator looks at problems in a very narrow, and specific field, we are gathering enormous amounts of information which has no meaningful pattern and is not easy to interpret. We may study human physiology for the duration of our entire lifespan and yet we may not know as to how the body performs all the functions it performs. While scientific study is useful, it may not entirely solve the problem unless the information coming from different directions is reviewed and is rearranged for proper interpretation. When I interpret information provided by Biology, I describe man as a Spiritual being for man has the substance that has the spiritual attribute that promotes cooperation, tolerance, altruism, and functional subservience. Even a cruel or wicked person exists in the world because of the spiritual nature of his substance that makes his cells, tissues, organs, and organ systems to serve him and provide him a benefit. If the world is full of crooks, Science cannot solve the problem. The body refuses to learn from Science Journals. The body has the fundamental nature and it cannot be changed by exposure to scientific information. Human nature and human behavior are not equivalent terms. Behavior refers to actions performed in the external world due to stimuli in the environment. My ability to be wicked or cruel still demands that the cells, tissues, and organs of the body have to act together in a harmonious manner. I will be able to get the insight about my body and its nature if I reflect on its ability to perform functions without any assistance from Science or Scientific experience. If I am not alienated or estranged from my body’s true nature, I will be able to easily reflect that nature in my actions and behavior. A wicked or cruel man cannot change his actions and behavior by reading Science Journals. It is very likely, it is very reasonable to suggest that a wicked or cruel man may change his behavior if he reflects inwards and tries to know the nature of his own body and its abilities to perform actions to keep him alive. In Indian tradition, this internal reflection is called Adhyatma Vidya or Self-Knowledge. There is no speculation here. I am not quoting religious scriptures. I am not asking you to give me flowers or fruits. I am asking for no money or favors. I am saying that you cannot change human actions and behavior by promoting the study of Science Journals. To begin with, Science cannot deal with that problem.
Ann Arbor, MI 48104-4162, USA
On Saturday, August 30, 2014 3:09 PM, Srinivasa Rao Kankipati wrote:
What must be left as subject matters for serious investigation by science are often taken up for furious speculation by religion. That is why so many charlatans thrive in religion. With due respect, it must be noted that 99% of the masses are afraid of logic and commonsense and are content with untrue beliefs. They also have money and influence and the gift of the gab.
On 28 August 2014 10:05, R.Rudra Narasimham <rebbapragada> wrote:
Perspective is stated as the relationship or proportion of the parts of a ‘Whole’ regarded from a particular standpoint or point in time. In knowing things, we need to know the true relationship of the parts to one another. We can have an “all-inclusive” perspective about Illusion but not an “all-inclusive” perspective on Truth and Reality for human existence demands both Illusion and Reality. We have the ability to investigate and explore the problem of Truth and Reality for we maintain our existence because of the influence called illusion. While publishing in Science Journals gives many people the opportunity to earn income, fame, and livelihood, the living cells perform complex, sequential, guided functions without knowing what may be published in those Science Journals.
Ann Arbor, MI 48104-4162, USA
On Thursday, August 28, 2014 5:24 AM, Dr. PVS Rao wrote:
Since the topic has come up, it may be in place to mention the process involved in publishing a paper in a scientific journal.
In the first place, the paper is written in a structured format (abstract, introduction, … experimental results, discussion, conclusion, references etc.
The editor, after receiving the paper, sends it to three or more referees/reviewers who are experts in the field/subfield with established accomplishments, reputation and ability, and who are chosen depending on the subject that the paper is concerned with. The referees then carefully read and review the paper and give recommendations: accept, accept with suggested modifications without another review, paper to be modified as suggested and to be reviewed again, or reject straight way. In some cases, a paper may go through multiple cycles (3-4 modifications and review) and still get rejected at the end.
Reviewers are generally very meticulous, thorough and tough and take the responsibility very seriously. (There is no payment).
The review process follows a single (or double) blind system, where the author is not told who the reviewers are (and vice versa).
This process can take even up to two years or more and ensures to the maximum extent possible that the review process is rigorous, objective and that the papers published are of the highest quality. In view of this delay in publication, journals publish the date of receipt of the original paper and the final; revised paper so that issues regarding precedence and originality of the work are clear.
Researchers advance in their careers depending on the number and quality of publications and the reputation of the journals in which their papers are published.
Prof PVS Rao
On 26 August 2014 05:19, R.Rudra Narasimham <rebbapragada> wrote:
Indeed a great composition. In a way, you sum up the ideas shared by Blaise Pascal(1623-62), French scientist, mathematician, and religious philosopher who founded the modern Theory of Probability and discovered the Pascal’s Laws in Physics(Hydraulics):
“Man is infinitely removed from comprehending the extremes; the end of things and their beginning are hopelessly hidden from him in an impenetrable secret; he is equally incapable of seeing the Nothing from which he was made, and the Infinite in which he swallowed up.”
For that reason, I would just prefer to talk about existence, the thing in a condition called being.
Ann Arbor, MI 48104-4162, USA
On Monday, August 25, 2014 6:30 PM, Srinivasa Rao Kankipati wrote:
Dear Rudra Narasimham, If you think that your blog has more readers than scientific journals, it is great news. All the same, please do publish your discoveries in some reputed scientific journals, by first removing all sarcasm in your writings and then giving too many unjustified references to medicine, where you would like to be known as an expert.
On 17 August 2014 21:23, R.Rudra Narasimham <rebbapragada> wrote:
Thanks for your very kind response and suggestion about publishing my blog posts. The blog is published using World Wide Web and hopefully reaches a wider audience than those published in Science journals. I welcome you and all others to respond to the views shared by me and the readers of my blog posts would really appreciate your effort. I have already shared your view in my recent blog post and kindly feel free to defend your statements and respond to my view that I shared. I am particularly happy to read about your concern about Science and for you may not be able to accept my interpretations of basic information provided by Science, you must speak to your friends or check reference materials or search on the Internet.
To understand the effects of Speed on human body, you may have to seek some understanding of Aviation Medicine. There are recognized medical hazards in Aviation due to acceleration, deceleration, centrifugal force and you may have to know the terms like ‘jolt’ which indicates the force with which acceleration develops and is expressed as ‘Gs’ per second. Weight is the force with which a mass of body is pulled by the gravitational force of the Earth. Under 3G conditions, the same body will weigh 3 times its original weight. During the deceleration phase, pilot and crew of a bomber jet may lose vision and experience ‘black out.’ You may speak to a fighter jet pilot and can experience the effects by using a training module. You may want to read about ‘VERTIGO’, a medical condition in which the person has a subjective feeling of movement of the external environment or of the head. It may come suddenly and could be severe and very distressing. If you experience ‘VERTIGO’, you will immediately thank God for His Mercy, Grace, and Compassion in giving you a life without the distress caused by Vertigo while the Earth is moving at a speed that is beyond all human imagination. You cannot imagine, or dream about the Speed of Earth.
People on earth’s surface experience the effects of speed during travel and due to changes in atmospheric conditions. You may want to check the speed of air in F – 5 tornado, and I would assure you that you would lose your consciousness. Some people have set up high-speed records but you lose several mental abilities if you travel at very high-speed. The ‘escape velocity’ at the surface of the Earth is about 6.95 miles per second. Whereas, I am describing the speed of Earth as about 1,000 miles per hour and a linear speed of about 66, 660 miles/hour for Earth travels 584 million miles to complete its orbit around the Sun. Are you kidding me? Are you saying that you can experience the speed of Earth by sitting in a rocket? What are you trying to say? You are trying to make an argument simply to support a view that is not established upon valid, scientific information. I am not concerned about your experience with some Swamy or Baba. I am neither a Swamy nor a Baba. I am not expecting “Pada Puja.” I am not preaching the Gospel or Scripture, or Gita. I am simply asking you to account for the fact of your physical existence on the surface of a fast, spinning object. If you say, gravity, I would like to know as to how the Fundamental Force called Gravitation has made a decision to keep you conscious without giving you the chance to know the basic realities of Earth’s motions? What happens, if you have to live on the surface of Venus? If you answer me, I will refund you the Ten or Ten Thousand bucks you lost paying the Swami in Allahabad.
Ann Arbor, MI 48104-4162, USA
On Sunday, August 17, 2014 11:28 AM, Srinivasa Rao Kankipati wrote:
What is meant by your last sentence? We have no mental experience of the speed of earth, because we move with the earth and our surroundings including air also move with the earth with the same speed. To have mental experience of the speed of earth, we have to attain a different velocity. ( I hope our knowledge of physics is sound enough to let us know that when speed, direction of movement or both are different, then the velocity is different). This is achieved when we go at a high enough speed in a rocket. So we can understand the reality of human existence when we are inside a rocket? This is a new discovery and should be published not in a private blog but in a scientific journal.
On 16 August 2014 21:47, R.Rudra Narasimham <rebbapragada> wrote:
In the past, we have discussed the subject of ‘consciousness’ several times. It surprises to note that none of you have the time to talk about ‘consciousness’ to a doctor and ascertain as to how the doctor makes a determination about the level of consciousness. Some of you seem to be related to scientists and yet not able to quote or share any view or opinion of a person that you may believe to be credible.
Consciousness has to important aspects; 1. The Seat or the Capacity of Consciousness, and 2. The Contents of Consciousness. Most of us have the general experience of the Contents of Consciousness which must be correctly described as ‘Cortical Awareness’. The Seat or the Capacity of Consciousness is in the Brain Stem and is described as the Reticular Formation. You may have to see the photo images that appear in my blog post and you will be able to distinguish the difference between Cerebral Cortex and the Reticular Formation. You can also easily find information on Internet if you Google those terms. The person who is fully awake, or fully conscious because of the Reticular Formation which actively screens all information and relays information to the areas of Cerebral Cortex where the information is revealed as Cortical Awareness. Since the Brain Stem controls all the major functions including the state of Arousal and Sleep, it relays information selectively as needed. Thereby, it really helps us to live normal lives by protecting the Cerebral Cortex from receiving unnecessary information. In all states, fully awake, sleep, and dream, the Brain Stem is alert and keeps functioning until death intervenes. Several major organs continue to function at varying rates during all the days of life. For purposes of reference, from the moment called conception, there is consciousness and awareness. It never stops its functions. The electrical activity recorded is useful for certain types of neurological evaluations. I can easily determine if a person could be Brain Stem dead by clinical examination. I had certified death on numerous occasions without any assistance from a Neurosurgeon and no EEG recordings are needed. A person who is brain-dead is deeply unconscious and the Brain Stem reflexes will be absent. You should not be surprised if people give detailed account of their dreams.
I address the issue of Illusion and Reality from a different perspective. It is incorrect to call ‘Rainbow’ an illusion. I am sorry to state it; you need to learn basic Physics and understand the properties of Light. I can see the Rainbow, and I can describe the Colors and I can explain the mechanism involved. If God made a ‘Rainbow Covenant’; it cannot be refuted by claiming that Rainbow is an Illusion. It is time to learn Physics before talking about God, Covenant, and etc., The fundamental Illusion is about the Linear and Angular Speed of Earth. We live on the surface of Earth and we have no choice other than that of participating in those motions. Fortunately, our existence is defended as the Force of Gravitation imposes an Illusion that man cannot overcome. We can read and learn from books and we can measure the speed of Earth, but we have no mental experience of the Speed of Earth. Without this Illusion, the Reality of Human Existence cannot be established.
Ann Arbor, MI 48104-4162, USA
On Saturday, August 16, 2014 9:01 PM, Srinivasa Rao Kankipati wrote:
Mr Xavier William suggests that there should be some commonality of experiences. Dr Ramarao feels there is some kind of continuity in wakeful state and dream state. I agree with both.
In both these states, there is the same you, with the same body and the same mind. In the awake state, the mind is influenced by the information brought to it by the sensory organs, together with the effect of the stock of past experience stored in the mind. In sleep, there is no conscious impact of sensory experiences. But it can be seen that the mind is at work though no impressions need be made on the memory mechanism for purposes of recall later.
But if the mind dreams, and if the dream is vivid, some recollection can be usually made on waking up, even though not every minute detail can be recalled in absolute clarity. The very fact that some issues contemplated deeply during the day are automatically solved (not always, but in quite a few cases) in the night shows that the mind is at work and does not go to sleep.
If we are similarly not able to recollect during a dream the incidents of the day, it goes to show that the recall function of the mind is weak during a dream. Our ability to recall dream details with some clarity in the day goes to show that during our awake state, the recalling capability of the mind is strong.
I therefore find it difficult to agree with Dr Ramesam garu that there is a dreamer-you and there is a waker-you and that these are mutually exclusive. There is only one you, with one body and one mind.
But we can say that dreamer-you is different from waker-you if we are talking of dreamer-you of one person A and waker-you of another person B.
Another notable feature is that among all waking persons, there is reasonable commonality of experience as regards events, as per Mr Xavier’s precondition. But if you take a survey of all people who have gone to sleep and have dreamt, there is no commonality of experience. All you can collect is a heap of narrations of disjointed and disconnected and stray personal experiences which have nothing in common. Often each person regards his dream as a divine revelation specially granted to him.
Apart from the dream state, there are other states: (1) the inebriated state, (2) the lunatic state, (3) the post-anesthesia state, and so on. In the fully wakeful state that follows, the person concerned is able to call to mind some details, even if not in great clarity. For that matter, we are often unable to recall with dazzling brightness some incidents which have taken place during our full consciousness.